Were the DC writers on crack and drinking vodka when they came up with the idea of giving Shazam such a powerful object? And before you ask for it, here is some proof that Lords of Order are weakened in a corporeal form. 0. Nabu in a physical form is no more powerful than Shazam (who has ALWAYS had a physical form). He had the aid of Capt marvel, Mary marvel, Capt marvel Jnr, Uncle marvel, Tawny Tiger AND Ibis and he still need help from on high JUST to face his daughter and Black Adam. See no retcon you just have to read the two stories and place it correctly. Here in Day of Vengeance infinite crisis special on page 7 Nabu (not someone wearing his helm) clearly states that THEY (not JUST him) have "no hope of stopping spectre" and instead decides to help him commit his greatest depravities. the feats simply dont transfer, its a change in the methos. Saying Shazam has anychance is like saying someone like pre-crisis superman can take on God. He had to ask for Ibis' aid for that. Honestly I'm not sure. @beatboks1: So the Spectre without the Energy of the other magician can not win Nabu or Shazam. The 6-issue miniseries spinning from COUNTDOWN TO INFINITE CRISIS is rocked by the awesome might of some of the DCU's most powerful beings! Created by supermann234. Spectre would always win even if Shazam and Nabu is at 100% or amped. Just in case there was any doubt. It's the very reason Mordru was able to escape the freaking rock and fight him. He did it so that their loss would also stop Spectre.
The DoV showing is literally the best he has. Spectre>Nabu> shazam. about GL and Flash fight with Deathstroke.
(i.e. The reason that there IS a Doctor Fate is because the corporeal form that Nabu created for himself and fought with back in the Egyptian empire had used as much power as it could wield and he had to rest in a tomb. So any time we see anyone wearing the Helm of Nabu and speaking as though they are Nabu they simply cannot be as powerful as when we see a floating helm around energy or an energy form. THOUSANDS of years of rest didn't help hence he passed on his talismans and trained Kent Nelson. The first scan is Shazam going to Satanus' realm FOUR pages before he arrived. 0. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. KMC Forums > Comic Book Forums > Comic Book 'Versus' Forum > Full Potential Spectre VS.
He's Wiz and I'm Boomstick. More people to add to DC's overpowered roster. Intelligence. Spectre vs Shazam.
We see billy leaving the ROE and engaging Spectre and falling.
If the combined power of Shazam and the Shadowpact isn't enough to take down the Spectre, what will be?
Also Nabu loses on purpose with Spectre so that he was taken from the Presence. The Spectre also absorbs the magical energy of all the other magicians, he does not fight with his own strength. The images of JSA 78 have Shazam fare welling him and have Shazam state that "Captain marvel Fell" around the same time he said Spectre approaches. Characters Battles Teams Super Powers Forum Feed Collections. It seems to me then that Nabu understand the necessity of the end of the era of magic, so he gives up. @beatboks1: Maybe you did not understand me. I could go on for ages showing scan after scan detailing the many limitations of shazam, but there's no need.
His methods of defeating Zatanna, Hawkman, the Atom, Green Arrow, Elongated Man and Black Canary I can buy. I'm going to change around Draco's words.I'd take Presense over the Rock of Eternity anyday. Characters Battles Teams Super Powers Forum Feed Collections. Gladiator, Hyperion, Sentry), Well I've already given one example(ie Aquaman..Here are a couple of others..). He says that he only has the strength to stand up with difficulty. He actually states in this one that he dare not go to his son's realm "umprepared or univited", a clear sign he is afraid of his son. Spectre by the time he faced Nabu had added the power of Shazam AND the Rock Of Eternity to his own might and Nabu still faired better than Shazam.
How the hell ciuld that be when there are several battles in DOV between Caps fight with Spec and Shazam's ??? Would you know if Magic of Shazam is canonical? It's why BA was able to break Cap's arm (as per the plaster).
His statement about being an old man barely able to stand is actually what he's normally like. To get to his realm took his fater several pages and Satanus removes him with a gesture. The battle in DOV is Shazam's best showing by far. But some people have tried to pretty much copy him. Spectre is gods wrath he's supposed to be able to be that powerful. Shazam never had a chance and doesnt without a hell of an amp in power. But again..this is all my opinion, anyway you slice it, both of these companies have really become pretty redundant and ridiculous when it comes to upgrading their characters. So if the magician was at most?
He is more powerful Marvel? Lord Marvel is won by Black Adam, right?
if you're lumping in juggs and gladiator and characters of that ilk, i don't think that's really gonna support your argument too much though - we could easily partner up a dc counterpart (often it has been dc who actually created the prototype of the character) with characters of this level.
Anyway..Hulk has always done things that are..well.."Incredible"...over the course of his history. The Rock of Eternity is very powerful. he got hit with a dummy stick the day before that's what happened. DC has overpowered EARTH characters(Superman and such), but Marvel has overpowered COSMIC characters. The fighting between The Spectre and Nabu, and The Spectre against Shazam, all these have been retconned in JSA 78. I mean it went on long enough that Enchantress could gather all the magic of every user to feed Cap. Does Detective Chimp have the answer? He's also several levels above Shazam and he couldnt beat Spectre. The battle we saw in DoV was all we could ever get from shazam who honestly normally performs much worse against far weaker adversaries. One can't be the most powerful of something without being more powerful than all the others of that something. The vast majority of Shazam's power is given to the Marvel family and used to contain the 7 deadly sins.
what about Magneto and Iceman? Hiw abiut the fact that the supposed retcon (so you'd have us believe) refers to the fact that Shazam was amped at the start and was glowing.
Can Shazam with the Rock Of Eternity stop the Spectre again? The Nabu who appeared in DoV was energy form Nabu who is vastly more powerful than any Nabu in a host or physical form.
He was still on the ROE (the source of his power) with access to all its energy. The problem with that is that there only at most 20 to 50 "overpowered" DC characters on Earth. @jigen879: Nabu doesnt loose on purpose. Infact he absorbed Magic Energy to win both Shazam and after Nabu but only with his powers he can win them? Pre-Crisis DC is said and done. Speed. Therefore he should not be at the height of his power. My last post showed when Billy returned to the ROE to tell shazam. For you Captain Marvel is more opowerful or as much as Shazam, You want me to prove that Nabu, who is stated over and over to be the most powerful Lord of Order is more powerful than Shazam a mortal who became an immortal and then a Lord of order(as opposed to an entity that started out as an immortal being of pure energy that made a mortal form to contain him - which limited him). Ive already shown scans that show Shazam cant heal and in fact couldn't heal Freddy. @beatboks1: I'm just trying to figure out with you. You stated that JSA 78 retconned DoV, I showed it doesnt. if he made Spectre full power only around a handful could only defeat him. Shazam sends Captain Marvel just a few moments before... http://i.imgur.com/O1eUsOp.jpg http://i.imgur.com/3I0VLI8.jpg http://i.imgur.com/HVOe1ti.jpg http://i.imgur.com/wGJpBr4.jpg http://i.imgur.com/MuUzegg.jpg http://i.imgur.com/owO8a4B.jpg http://i.imgur.com/PTVPfAZ.jpg http://i.imgur.com/2asZWVq.jpg.
20 wins (87%) Spectre (Aztar) 113: statistics.
0. Superhero battle match: Spectre versus Shazam. No, this is not true. Shazam normally struggles and looses to Lady Blaze who Novice Kent V Nelson Fate easily defeated.
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Again there's DOV and just too much evidence of the Spectre being above him. It's clear you haven't a clue what your talking about when your telling me things are wrong that are easily proven right. Wasp. So instead I'll ask you for proof that Shazam is even in Nabu's paygrade. 0. The restored Spectre travels to the Rock of Eternity to battle the wizard Shazam, changing Captain Marvel back into Billy Batson, his alter ego, to keep him out of his way. I doubt that it is equal to the HOTU or even the IG. Durability. Just to understand, Shazam is without energy before fighting, right? and New Son Gambit and White Queen Phoenix?
He might have to fight harder (that doesnt mean a hard fight necessarily) but he would still take either in a fight regardless of circumstance. Unless your referring to the scan of Sandy Hawkins wearing the helm of Nabu (which isn't Nabu or even Dr fate), The events of JSA 78 take place after this. The Presence commands Shazam must die! 100. Correct me if Im wrong but If I remember right. Since when can Shazam go toe to toe with God? Crispus Jobber Allen jobs himself to death. ALL the players then met in the Oblivion bar to discuss before Cap went back to Shazam as per the above scans. don't tell me that they aren't overpowered.
Shazam doesn't say he is without energy. i might buy draco's argument about marvel having more uber characters - though i'm sure if we worked at it we could name one uber character in the dc lineup for each marvel character on his list (don't forget about the sandman series and its characters, preacher and its cast, many of dr fate's opponents are in the same class as hoggoth et al) - but it seems most of marvel's mightiest (eternity, LT HOTU) never really take part in the 'general' happenings. Power. He isn't "without energy" he is simply back to his NORMAL frail level.
He wasnt weakened simply no longer amped.
0. Instead Shazam was not at full strength because he had fought with Modru. Cap was still fighting Spec after Enchantress couldn't maintain the power link in the last scan in DOV 5 when he eventually lost. Shazam doesn't have a single showing that even puts him near the level he demonstrated in DoV. The Spectre vs Shazam. Yet the least powerful version of Fatebhas brought the dead back to life. The second scan shows that to fight Lady Blaze (his daughter who is no more powerful than Satanus and who has bean beaten by Kent V Nelson, and Freddy Freeman /Capt Marvel Jnr when he was "shazam"/ Lord Marvel) He needs to call on the assistance of higher powers. DC has archangel Michael, Lucifer mourning star, the beast. You'll notice that in the same scan Spectre also states he's destroyed ALL the Lords of Order and Chaos. It's not his. THIS is how much containing the seven deadly sins takes out of him. Nabu and even SA Dr Fate are above Shazam in feats. All these battles took mere moments hey??? what power uprgrade has storm had that ppl listed her? its always been the case. Rock of Eternity seemed to stop Spectre recently according to Draco, Can Shazams full potential stop God's wrath? I cant argue with you there Draco. COMPLETELY different entity and had no showings to my knowledge to support that, No non amped version of either Nabu or Shazam should win against the weakest version of Spectre, @beatboks1: Please image of satannis please. There from the mouth of Nabu himself he states he is the most powerful Lord of Order. Correction. The rest isused to contain the seven deadly sins and maintain the rock. For the most part. The DC countdown series features Shazam going up against Spectre (without Hal which makes him much more powerful).
100% right. Cap and the marvel family share a PORTION of Shazam's power.
At least 100 of them.
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