Most of the successful OSS commercial solutions started up from hobby project or are simply integrations of other people work, they are not fair when they define themselves successful commercial enterprises, since they didn't deal with the startup costs and started with something of value by itself. It is the flexibility that makes FOSS so popular on the server side. See if you can come up with a price. With 15 people. With OSS, I'm just screwed if I'm unable to fix it and no one else is willing to. you cite how expensive it is to use Cygwin and Qt - commercially). FLOSS vendors seem to be all talk.

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Visual Studio, SQL Server, tools for software architecture, Business Solutions, all MS operating systems for different languages and more. Read that again.

Indeed. You can absolutely not compare those two products. Then your investment is quickly recouped when you can develop on one platform and deploy on 4 or 5. If, on the other hand, you plan to keep your devices updated, then you need to plan on clearing export and trade compliance, analyzing open source licensing, and testing all bug fixes and security fixes in order to ensure that none of your device functionality will break. Where I work we've got about 500 windows computers, give or take. They're mostly freely available for open source products.

Some kind of basic organization ala MS Project... dunno personally, but MSProject sucks too. I've never heard of Trolltech making any attempt at all to curb this, beyond simply saying that it's not permitted.

Now the grandparent was indeed trolling. These incidents apply to Full Packaged Products only and broadly speaking the following groups of products are covered - consumer products, desktop applications, desktop operating systems and developer tools. What a Windows license buys you in terms of support is two major things: You can get plenty of OSS products for free, and then go to similar knowledge bases online for free support. Wind River performs such analyses and classifications for you. For 5 seats of windows you're not even a bug on the windscreen. Aside several enterprise projects, most of the OSS software reside in the realm of user-oriented utilities. The question isn't the number of free support sites - the question is what level of support you get from them. You are basically paying someone else to be that staff. Another reason it makes sense is that you can strip a box down for one task, like a web server or mail server, and reduce the amount of maintenance on that box much easier with FOSS, due to the reasons you state. So, if you are the one developing the software AND you are also in need to improve it to remain competitive, you are pretty much rising your internal costs and are more likely to be outsold by competitors that only integrates waiting on the road for code to come. I was under the impression that OpenOffice.org was available for Windows. The commercial software isn't cheaper as far as support goes, they just aren't quoting you the real price until after you're committed.

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We do not want to spend time for any OSS bug fixing so our main requirement was -official support for all OSS products-. But also the TFA is doing a lot of mixing of apples and oranges. Inventory management, purchase order, customer record keeping, invoicing, for a company that needs more than 5 seats, but less than 50. Internet Explorer 11 is no longer supported. In OpenBSD, for example, you are not allowed to commit any code without also committing a corresponding update to the documentation (and your code must be commented according to the OpenBSD KNF guidelines; see man style for more information). this agreement states the terms and conditions upon which wind river systems, inc. There is NO support for OEM, you must call who you bought it from. Out-of-City Businesses All you get is Windows Update, and the opportunity to hear the Microsoft rep tell you to call the company you bought your computer from. RHE to WinXP OEM: Uh, no... Ubuntu to WinXP OEM, RHE to Win2k3 Server, If you purchased an OEM kit from a distributor or store, with or without piecemeal parts, you're considered to be your own OEM. The support was bad. As far as the other products he mentioned, they are buying commercial licenses without the usual "GPL only" restrictions as well as support. After that the library can be called from your LabVIEW Real-Time application. Accounting: GnuCash is good, I can't use it because my accountant doesn't support it. Begin typing to search, use arrow keys to navigate, use enter to select. Adding such functionalities means introducing new middleware and/or system complexity that increases the cost of maintenance and ownership over time, including the cost of testing and registering device software against CGL specifications. This means you will end up spending a lot of time analyzing the millions of lines of code that you ship with your device, looking for things such as cryptography algorithms that impact your ability to sell in certain countries. And this doesn't even take into account the whole dynamic of competition in commercial OSS. I guess they called it "support" because an MS engineer looked at the problem for a while before deciding it was a bug, but it still seemed like paying money to report bugs to me. Businesses that are in the business of doing something other than computer related work (for example, a law firm), such a decision to outsource all the support would usually be a good one. To my experience with commercial OSS solutions, commercial OSS with a project taken from the community is practically illicit competition. First, to clarify it to anyone who may actually be misinformed enough to believe this nonesense, the whole idea behind the GPL is to undermine the concept of IP.

Access to their programming documentation requires a development license, typically paired with the Wind River VxWorks Workbench. When you purchase a VxWorks-based target you get only a deployment license, which means that you may deploy to the VxWorks target, but you don't have access to support or documentation. Hate to break it to you, but an OEM license of XP doesn't buy you any useful support. VxWorks License Agreement - Wind River Systems Inc. and Com21 Inc. First, you have consumers who don't really know how to pirate or get around activation schemes. OS upgrades covered by the annual support/maintenance fees Added another CPU family for vxWorks 5.3.1 (Tornado 1.0.1) – 10 seat perpetual license for PowerPC, purchased July 1999 Currently running vxWorks 5.4.2 (Tornado 2.0.2) on 68K and PowerPC – Doesn't support new CPUs (MVME3100, MVME6100) May upgrade our R3.14 IOCs to vxWorks 5.5.2 (Tornado 2.2.2) – This is the End of Life … Let us know if you have further questions. The commercial ones will also tell you that they'll get you off the "shit", but then they can walk the walk. The Wind River Security Response Team analyzes about 5,000 security vulnerabilities every year and fixes about 10% of them, providing relief to their customers in under 24 hours. Until manufacturers care about drivers for OSS operating systems, that's going to be an issue. Thanks. I now work on a small corporation based on 7 different nations and everywhere, while the platforms used vary from full OSS (my preference) to totally Closed Source, the customer gets always the sources on software developed with full control over it.

Now maybe Novel doesn't want to use that work, and maybe Redhat is benefitting from Novel in just the same ways, but it sure does complicate the business model.

AND it wouldn't do what my current software does, so I would have to pay a programmer to modify stuff. Same deal with supported OSS software like RHEL.

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Presumably, the purchase of a crio controller running VxWorks includes a license to the OS.

Documentation and support for Qt is vastly better than the comparable C# support for non-Windows environments, (and somewhat better than for Windows as well). You need to make this plan every single time you roll out an update.

The only way that they can charge more for the "commercial" version AND enforce their right to limit how you use the software is for them to build a completely proprietary project that runs on Linux, then they can license their complete, compiled (with or without source), and wholy owned product however they chose, but if they choose to license under the GPL then they cannot impose the use restrictions.

Our price will be $16.5K for a > single seat license. We need 5 seats. The added value of OSS for them is on the infrastructure (no money spent on anything is not strictly the software), not on the project itself.

Commercial software houses that try to rely on microsoft for software dev support (in my experience) end up sorely disappointed.
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No, it's just a description of human nature.

That depends on the project. May be against lowend Solaris installs, but the price isn't that different. We will go for VxWorks or WinCE in our next product. Take your cost of ownership—especially the cost of bug fixing, security monitoring, and security fixing—and multiply this number by the amount of years your devices will be deployed in the field. Also, there are businesses for whom the cost of a license is cheaper than a visit from the BSA. Sure they still have to pay for those 2 or 3 programmers, but it is way less than hiring, sustaining and training a whole staff. not get help! (e.g. Do you have any employees? The $140 listed doesn't include it. We've actually been quite successful writing code for vxworks, but we ran across some difficulty porting some code from Windows/Linux to vxworks, and had some specific questions. Answer the questions below to see your results automatically generated in the graphs on the right. If you read the agreement, it says you as the system builder are responsible for supporting that copy once installed.

As long as you're just using the stuff provided by Microsoft, SFU is pretty good. Not only that but it also comes with databasess (plural), directory services, compilers, office suite, and thousands of other pieces of software. Perhaps you just needed a different vendor? Also, how much support does that $140 XP license get you? VxWorks is a real-time operating system (RTOS) developed as proprietary software by Wind River Systems, a wholly owned subsidiary of TPG Capital, US.

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Seems to me like you are searching out the most expensive commercial OSS on the planet, then asking why wouldn't you just buy the MS product instead. Embedded Linux from a reputable RT vendor is $25,000 per 5 seats per year.

and what would need to happen before they could be competitive in the future?

Information is going to tend to be reproduce and distributed. Hopefully as it catches on more, that will change. Once again, consider your user's experience and the cost of "supporting" all of their calls back to you when M$ does something else nasty to Unix Services. To avoid license conflicts such as this, the license administrator can configure the user options file to restrict license usage by user, group, or product. What I find surprising is that, in the few responses I've skimmed (including yours), I haven't seen anyone mention that these companies need to pay programmers.

Most of the successful OSS commercial solutions started up from hobby project or are simply integrations of other people work, they are not fair when they define themselves successful commercial enterprises, since they didn't deal with the startup costs and started with something of value by itself. It is the flexibility that makes FOSS so popular on the server side. See if you can come up with a price. With 15 people. With OSS, I'm just screwed if I'm unable to fix it and no one else is willing to. you cite how expensive it is to use Cygwin and Qt - commercially). FLOSS vendors seem to be all talk.

All rights reserved. Stay up-to-date with FindLaw's newsletter for legal professionals. No-charge Support Incidents as a Program Benefit or Microsoft License Type. I would go further and say that this article is a troll submitted (*cough* *cough*) anonymous coward and posted, no doubt, to inflate page hits.
Visual Studio, SQL Server, tools for software architecture, Business Solutions, all MS operating systems for different languages and more. Read that again.

Indeed. You can absolutely not compare those two products. Then your investment is quickly recouped when you can develop on one platform and deploy on 4 or 5. If, on the other hand, you plan to keep your devices updated, then you need to plan on clearing export and trade compliance, analyzing open source licensing, and testing all bug fixes and security fixes in order to ensure that none of your device functionality will break. Where I work we've got about 500 windows computers, give or take. They're mostly freely available for open source products.

Some kind of basic organization ala MS Project... dunno personally, but MSProject sucks too. I've never heard of Trolltech making any attempt at all to curb this, beyond simply saying that it's not permitted.

Now the grandparent was indeed trolling. These incidents apply to Full Packaged Products only and broadly speaking the following groups of products are covered - consumer products, desktop applications, desktop operating systems and developer tools. What a Windows license buys you in terms of support is two major things: You can get plenty of OSS products for free, and then go to similar knowledge bases online for free support. Wind River performs such analyses and classifications for you. For 5 seats of windows you're not even a bug on the windscreen. Aside several enterprise projects, most of the OSS software reside in the realm of user-oriented utilities. The question isn't the number of free support sites - the question is what level of support you get from them. You are basically paying someone else to be that staff. Another reason it makes sense is that you can strip a box down for one task, like a web server or mail server, and reduce the amount of maintenance on that box much easier with FOSS, due to the reasons you state. So, if you are the one developing the software AND you are also in need to improve it to remain competitive, you are pretty much rising your internal costs and are more likely to be outsold by competitors that only integrates waiting on the road for code to come. I was under the impression that OpenOffice.org was available for Windows. The commercial software isn't cheaper as far as support goes, they just aren't quoting you the real price until after you're committed.

Trademarks property of their respective owners. And if one intended to stay in business, one would also have to add in the prices of antivirus, antispyware, firewall, and other necessities that Windows needs to be operational. Red Hat Linux WS is $299. Of course, these are all hypothetical and general.
We do not want to spend time for any OSS bug fixing so our main requirement was -official support for all OSS products-. But also the TFA is doing a lot of mixing of apples and oranges. Inventory management, purchase order, customer record keeping, invoicing, for a company that needs more than 5 seats, but less than 50. Internet Explorer 11 is no longer supported. In OpenBSD, for example, you are not allowed to commit any code without also committing a corresponding update to the documentation (and your code must be commented according to the OpenBSD KNF guidelines; see man style for more information). this agreement states the terms and conditions upon which wind river systems, inc. There is NO support for OEM, you must call who you bought it from. Out-of-City Businesses All you get is Windows Update, and the opportunity to hear the Microsoft rep tell you to call the company you bought your computer from. RHE to WinXP OEM: Uh, no... Ubuntu to WinXP OEM, RHE to Win2k3 Server, If you purchased an OEM kit from a distributor or store, with or without piecemeal parts, you're considered to be your own OEM. The support was bad. As far as the other products he mentioned, they are buying commercial licenses without the usual "GPL only" restrictions as well as support. After that the library can be called from your LabVIEW Real-Time application. Accounting: GnuCash is good, I can't use it because my accountant doesn't support it. Begin typing to search, use arrow keys to navigate, use enter to select. Adding such functionalities means introducing new middleware and/or system complexity that increases the cost of maintenance and ownership over time, including the cost of testing and registering device software against CGL specifications. This means you will end up spending a lot of time analyzing the millions of lines of code that you ship with your device, looking for things such as cryptography algorithms that impact your ability to sell in certain countries. And this doesn't even take into account the whole dynamic of competition in commercial OSS. I guess they called it "support" because an MS engineer looked at the problem for a while before deciding it was a bug, but it still seemed like paying money to report bugs to me. Businesses that are in the business of doing something other than computer related work (for example, a law firm), such a decision to outsource all the support would usually be a good one. To my experience with commercial OSS solutions, commercial OSS with a project taken from the community is practically illicit competition. First, to clarify it to anyone who may actually be misinformed enough to believe this nonesense, the whole idea behind the GPL is to undermine the concept of IP.

Access to their programming documentation requires a development license, typically paired with the Wind River VxWorks Workbench. When you purchase a VxWorks-based target you get only a deployment license, which means that you may deploy to the VxWorks target, but you don't have access to support or documentation. Hate to break it to you, but an OEM license of XP doesn't buy you any useful support. VxWorks License Agreement - Wind River Systems Inc. and Com21 Inc. First, you have consumers who don't really know how to pirate or get around activation schemes. OS upgrades covered by the annual support/maintenance fees Added another CPU family for vxWorks 5.3.1 (Tornado 1.0.1) – 10 seat perpetual license for PowerPC, purchased July 1999 Currently running vxWorks 5.4.2 (Tornado 2.0.2) on 68K and PowerPC – Doesn't support new CPUs (MVME3100, MVME6100) May upgrade our R3.14 IOCs to vxWorks 5.5.2 (Tornado 2.2.2) – This is the End of Life … Let us know if you have further questions. The commercial ones will also tell you that they'll get you off the "shit", but then they can walk the walk. The Wind River Security Response Team analyzes about 5,000 security vulnerabilities every year and fixes about 10% of them, providing relief to their customers in under 24 hours. Until manufacturers care about drivers for OSS operating systems, that's going to be an issue. Thanks. I now work on a small corporation based on 7 different nations and everywhere, while the platforms used vary from full OSS (my preference) to totally Closed Source, the customer gets always the sources on software developed with full control over it.

Now maybe Novel doesn't want to use that work, and maybe Redhat is benefitting from Novel in just the same ways, but it sure does complicate the business model.

AND it wouldn't do what my current software does, so I would have to pay a programmer to modify stuff. Same deal with supported OSS software like RHEL.

This discussion has been archived. This site is protected by reCAPTCHA and the Google Privacy Policy and Terms of Service apply.

Presumably, the purchase of a crio controller running VxWorks includes a license to the OS.

Documentation and support for Qt is vastly better than the comparable C# support for non-Windows environments, (and somewhat better than for Windows as well). You need to make this plan every single time you roll out an update.

The only way that they can charge more for the "commercial" version AND enforce their right to limit how you use the software is for them to build a completely proprietary project that runs on Linux, then they can license their complete, compiled (with or without source), and wholy owned product however they chose, but if they choose to license under the GPL then they cannot impose the use restrictions.

Our price will be $16.5K for a > single seat license. We need 5 seats. The added value of OSS for them is on the infrastructure (no money spent on anything is not strictly the software), not on the project itself.

Commercial software houses that try to rely on microsoft for software dev support (in my experience) end up sorely disappointed.

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